I hadn't been paying too much attention on what happens when you're approacing the edge of a map, until recently: "Leaving Combat Area" pops up.

That gave me an idea: How about we use this warning as a benchmark to scare off rabbits?

I'll try to explain this briefly: Tribes 1 had this fantastic feature, which prevented flag carriers to leave map's boundaries without losing the flag. Carrier had about 3 seconds (each second notified with loud *BLEEP* noise) to return to main field before the flag got automatically returned to enemy's flagstand. This feature made a huge impact on the effectiveness of rabbiting (by cutting it down drastically). If you dropped the flag outside the map borders, you and your teammates couldn't touch it anymore, but enemy players could return it any time by touching it.

I've noticed that most of the maps in Legions have big hills just on the edges of the maps, giving rabbits a great place to regain their health and get good speed to make a dash for it. This is the tactic that rabbits are using 95 % of the time. But what if they were not allowed to do that anymore? Could it encourage people to organize a base defense?

In short, I suggest we use *Leaving Combat Area* as secondary map boundaries which only applies to flag carrier and the flag. It might not be necessary on smaller maps, but I'm certain it'll cut down all the mapubare wannabe's enthusiasm on larger maps (and make them actually playable and ENJOYABLE).

/signed
I would love to see those rabbits dissapear.
Thought I don't play very much on larger maps, this should do the job.

I think this idea was danced around a bit back, but I don't know if it got any traction.

I however, really like the idea. /signed! Good thoughts.

/Signed

I believe this could be highly effective if done correctly.

/Signed

I think this would be something to at least tryout to see if it can help us make a little rabbit stew.
Lately the rabbiting has gotten worse with people only coming into servers to rabbit then brag like it's an achievement, this makes me confused.

/NO
Unless you actually manage to persuade the devs to remove fall dmg, which already makes rabbits die quick. Then I'd be signed for a 5 second till the flag is dropped.
Honestly, since fall damage was introduced you only need ONE person to care enough to return the flag, even on blade run/forgotten 1 chaser is enough. Most of you don't care to chase (i remember mighty was just whining, but that was quite a while ago) and wouldn't mind if the map Nivosus was simply the area in between (and including) the two bases and two towers and the sides...
So, -fall dmg + this= I'm in

How about some grabs on Frostbyte, when you have to ski near the boundary to get to your base? (when you grab and jump over the hill behind the flag, not go to the middle like everyone -.-) And anyway, even if you apply it the rabbits will just rocket the flag out of the zone to ski fast into it (quarry).

The rabbit would die, and by the time they respawned and came back chances are the flag would be gone. Any good rabbit/capper shouldn't have a problem with fall damage, it only effects you when you screw up or suck at skiing. Other than that it's hardly enough to effect a capper unless they're away from the base rabbiting WAY longer than they should be anyway (not that you should ever really rabbit). So that reason holds no real ground.

Anyway I like the idea, but the rabbits team should still be able to pick it up. It's unfair to the team if you punish them for a rabbits mistake. And if they thought about working together and abusing that they may as well just go to their base and learn to pass.

"This would work to get rid of the rabbits, but it would never work for the cappers"

In short some cap routes require you to use those big hills on the outside, a 3 second gap, could basicly kill the capper with the flag.

But i do however see one way around this;  The person with the flag has to be travelling over a certain speed(say 100) and the capper lives. While a person(Rabbiter) not traveling over 100 would then die

Not Really, You shouldn't be skiing along the OOB on your return route, and there's no reason to be standing in the same general area of the OOB on your return route either... if that's the case its not a return route.

   This idea is great IMHO because it will also stop a lot of the people who grab, ski away onto a big hill near the OOB, throw the flag, wait for the chaser to catch up to them and then pick it up and go down the big hill and ski of to the next big hill on the other side of the map and do the same thing.

 It may work... muajaja... i must no more mapubare sisters and brothers wold be a big thing for FE:L
 I will not say more till i see the dream come true...

/no

Since the update, the noobishness of the average defender has risen five-fold. Before the update, I couldn't rabbit to save my life. However, it seems now that not one Legions player knows how to defend the base. This is what happens when I grab the flag 83% of the time:

My flag is on home plate;
I'm flying in at 100 kph while enemy defenders are busy with the two or three people from my team who came to grab the flag and got distracted;
I grab the flag without being touched;
my flag is grabbed within a second.

I'm not generally worried yet. I start to worry when I get back to my base and find that the only players in my base are all enemies, and there are more than three of them. My team has absolutely no defense, and I can't capture because as soon as my flag is returned, it's picked up again. Therefore, to keep the enemy team from scoring and to provide my team a chance to pull their heads out of their asses and clear out my base, my only choice is to rabbit for as long as necessary.

I often warn my teammates after a couple of these that if they don't want a rabbit match, they need to start defending. Strangely, everyone seems alright with me rabbiting as they never start defending to avoid the oh-so-horrible rabbit. It's only the other team that complains.

I'm like you guys--I HATE rabbit matches. At the same time, I recall some of the GOOD players from before the update telling me when I was still new to this game that the caps are what matter--not your KDR, not WHO caps, and not how they cap. Sadly, I never see any of those players anymore (some of them were very skilled omni's who have since either left or changed their names, leaving Legions and the Omni presence therein rather diminished).

As an unrelated side-note, the only thing I hate more than rabbits are people the constantly demand that I pass them the flag when they are no where near to me nor ready to receive the flag.

In this case, stop capping/rabbiting and reinforce your team's defense. You apparently know how a good CTF strategy looks like, so be a role model and defend.

You do realise that you're setting up an inconsistent role model?

Lemme spell this out: Your teammates think that they don't NEED defense since enemy can't kill you anyway while you're rabbiting. That's why they don't bother defending, instead they'll head straight to enemy flag carrier.

Other team is complaining simply because you're being un-sportsmanlike: It's almost like playing Doom (1 or 2) Deathmatch with your friends with one guy having IDDQD active. Try and shoot down a rabbit (all by yourself) traveling at 160 kmph and you'll see why the other team is complaining. If you're really against rabbiting, for God's sake DON'T RABBIT!

/Signed
I hate the Rabbits that use the Mousetrap on Quarry. Mostly AceLegion since he was the one who tricked me into the trap first.

I do defend. Problem is, my idea of defense is to do everything to keep enemy team from capturing. I'm a chaser and grabber. If I can't catch the fc, I go for the enemy flag by a more direct route and nab it before fc can get there to cap. What always ends up happening is my entire team is all caught up in engaging the enemy defenders in their base instead of 1) returning our flag, 2) making sure our flag base isn't being sat on, 3) being ready to defend in case the flag is returned. Taking the flag and capping it is, to me, secondary. I grab the flag as a defense. Of course, once I HAVE the flag, I am on offense and must now either cap it or pass it--and guess what No one is ready for a pass! Yay!!!


I have to rabbit because no one is defending, not to make a defense unnecessary. How the hell am I supposed to cap the flag or pass the flag if there's no flag and no friend to do so? The moral of the story is that there is no end to a rabbit match until the team starts a defense. I often lose count in the first five minutes how many times I punch in "CDC," BEGGING my team to give us more defenders. After a few minutes of that, I start telling everyone that I'm gonna start rabbiting if they don't shape up some D. Since most people loathe rabbits regardless of whose team they're on, I would think that would get a reaction. But no. It never does. The only reaction I ever get is, "RABBIT" from the other team.

On a good day, where my team is defending, I prefer to sit in the base so that I can cap as soon as the flag is returned. I can't do that if I'm alone in OR gear with four chasers on me >_< .

Doom is a little bit older than me, I'm afraid... My brothers were playing that while I was still *baking brownies* in diapers (I'm 20, now). Point is I'm not getting your analogy, but I think I understand what you mean anyway. And believe me, I HAVE tried chasing a rabbit alone at 160 kph. It sucks every time, except the rare instance of a lucky burst of CG that kills him in mid-air.